![]() The trust option is provided as you said, but its not provided to be used to get around the fingerprinting/CLEO sign off. However the point is that if someone wanted to, they could, and without you telling the ATF that that is your purpose, they would never know. I fully understand that you might lose your boys scouts badge of honesty, since in reality your purpose is to add to your personal collection. Spend a couple hours making a website with a couple items and thats all the proof you need. ![]() But I'm sure many people, sell off parts of their gun collection every year anyways, to make room for other stuff. What proof is there that the purpose of the FFL is not for profit? Once again, you would indeed have to sell something here or there. Unfortunately, there is no "hobbyist" FFL. If paying the $$$ was all that I had to do to have an FFL (even if not the SOT), I would have done it a long time ago, and so would a lot of other firearms enthusiasts. Originally Posted By: DownzeroOriginally Posted By: timelinexOriginally Posted By: DownzeroOriginally Posted By: savage168USAF after research i can see its really not worth the hassle by any means. What that would mean is that if your FFL were revoked, you'd be in possession of contraband. If you are not in the business of selling/manufacturing firearms for livelihood and profit, you are not eligible to have that type of FFL under the law. It is certainly not the same thing as using a trust, which is expressly provided for in the NFA.īecoming an FFL without having a legitimate intent to engage in business is not the same thing. Too much of a hassle for me, but interesting nonetheless. Originally Posted By: timelinexOriginally Posted By: DownzeroOriginally Posted By: savage168USAF after research i can see its really not worth the hassle by any means. Some people like to feel extra safe and get this certification, but many legitimate companies have confirmed with the ATF that it is not needed if your product doesn't get exported. The caveat to the fee ]is that you only need to pay that fee if you sell to the military/government or export. Many people get hung up on the $2700 state department fee. ![]() it would more than pay for all the fees for many people. I'm sure the amount of $$ saved from dealer pricing on everything from reloading supplies to guns and ammo. As long as you follow the letter of the law, you are not at risk. ![]() The ability to use a trust is a loophole, and is just as deceptive in what your actual plans are for the suppressor. As long as you do something like sell a suppressor or something once a year( even if you sell it at your dealer price just to sell it) your fully legal?įor anyone that thinks this isn't allowed because its not the 'honest' reason for the licensing.This is just as deceiving as using a trust for a suppressor to bypass the individual hassles. I know the major stipulation is you have intent to sell, but that isn't specific to how many you have to sell. Add in another 200 and you now have rights to manufacture all the above. It seems like you can pay 150 for 3 years to become a ffl and 500 a year for your SOT. So out of curiosity I just looked into this and it seems like the application is much less serious than I thought. There are NO full auto, transferable Glocks. It's not just "not worth the hassle," it's also a very serious crime. Originally Posted By: DownzeroOriginally Posted By: savage168USAF after research i can see its really not worth the hassle by any means. Otherwise everyone would pay the yearly fee to own new machine guns. It's not as difficult as it seems, but don't think you can just do the paperwork and then buy/build all the toys you want. I have been looking into a FFL SOT for some of the work I do. However this is not cheap and if you are doing it to just make toys for yourself you could be looking at some problems of the Federal variety. ![]() If you intend to go into business manufacturing Title II firearms you can just complete the appropriate paperwork, pay your fees and become a Manufacturer. However if you do find a transferrable G18 it will only cost you one $200 tax and you can slap a stock and VFG on it without any extra hassles. Not going to happen unless you find a "transferrable" Glock OR you are LE/Mil/FFL SOT. This requires a Form 1 to "make" a Short Barreled Rifle and requires you pay a one time $200 taxĪ silencer or suppressor is considered a separate serialized item and will also require a $200 tax. Registering the pistol as a SBR will allow you to install a stock and forward grip. Originally Posted By: savage168USAFI know this sounds rediculous but i want to know how to do this legally. ![]()
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